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Name/Version: Honey-Mapper 1.53
Author: Vayner  
Description: Honey Mapper is the successor of my old Sixteen Macros mapping device.
You place a Honey Mapper inside a Rack and control it with one of the 8 Macros that the Rack provides.
A parameter can be mapped by clicking on it first and then on the Map button of a Honey Mapper.
Multiple parameters anywhere in the Live Set can be controlled with a single Macro.
You can give a custom name to any of the Macros, which will be displayed on Control Surfaces like Push.


- Map one Macro to as many parameters as you like.

- An envelope with curves that allows you to remap the 0-127 range of the Macro against the range of any parameter. You can even skip values, useful if you want to skip a few filtertypes for example.

- The Envelope can be set by either clicking on it or by setting specific X and Y values. (X is the Macro value, Y is the target value)

- No parameter values are stored, so there are no issues with a set reloading with the wrong values.

- Works with all Control Surfaces that can control Rack Devices. If it has a display, it will show the (custom) name of the Macro and a value range from 0 to 127.

- Also works with MIDI Learn to the Macro Controls.

- It will also work combined with “Normal” Macro mappings. In that case you can get it to display a different value instead of the default 0-127. For example, if you map it to a filter parameter inside the Rack, it will display the filter values. While also able to control many other parameters. You basically decide which visual feedback you get.

- Works with the MIDI Takeover Modes that are native to Live

- Toggle the locked parameters on/off with the Rack on/off buttons.

- Settings can be saved with your Live Set.

- Settings can be saved as a Rack Preset if everything that is mapped is also in the Rack.

- Settings can be saved as a Live Clip if all the mappings are on the same Track. (You can load mappings across tracks by importing .als Live Set files though)

Known Issues:

- A parameter can only be mapped once. Duplicating a mapped device or trying to map a parameter twice will give an error in the Max window.

- You can map to the same Macro that is controlling a Mapped device. So if a Macro is the last parameter you clicked on before you press the Map button, you basically got a feedback loop.
On the plus side of that, you can control one Macro that has say 16 mappings with their own curve, from another Honey Mapper with its specific curve. You can go as deep as you want as long as Live can handle it.

Envelope Controls:

- Click to make a Breakpoint.
- Shift + Click to delete a Breakpoint
- Hold ALT and drag the line between 2 Breakpoints to alter a Curve.
- Use the X and Y boxes to set the values with more precision. Use the Command modifier for fine control of the Y value.

Device Details

Downloads: 1017
Tags utility, hardware, push
Live Version Used: 9.6.2
Max Version Used: 7.2.4
Date Added: Feb 09 2017 08:50:12
Date Last Updated: Not updated yet
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Is it also possible to map more than 8 Macros with Honey-Mapper? Because you write that "The Sixteen Macros device is discontinued and has been replaced with the Honey-Mapper."

Hi Novaliz,

There is no limit really. But you need to work in "banks" of 8. Each Rack can be considered a Bank and you can have as many of those as you like.

The main advantage of using the Macros from Rack devices is that it updates your controllers without fail. When a device is selected, it sends out its current values.
So the equivalent of the preset system on Sixteen Macros is just selecting a different Rack (Bank).

eres un genio! muchas gracias, es justo lo que necesitaba!

you say "Multiple parameters anywhere in the Live Set can be controlled with a single Macro."
But when I try to map the second parameter with the map button on the honey mapper, it forgets the previous mapping?

Hi Pranavakazack,

You need to add a Honey Mapper for each parameter you want to map. If you want to control 8 things with 1 Macro, you need 8 Honey Mappers set to Macro 1.

Hi Vayner.

Does this device work with plugins also or is it just Live's parameters? It works well for me with Live's parameters but it doesn't seem to acknowledge any plugin ones.

Thanks, P.

Hi Prizzle9,

You need to select the parameters on the device itself. Up to 128 plugin parameters can be mapped that way. It won't work if you select it on the plugin GUI.
If no parameters are exposed in the device view, click on the Configure button on the top-right of the device view. Then any parameters that you change from the GUI will also be visible. You can even drag them around and change the automapping order.

I hope this helps.



Honey-Mapper is an awesome utility, but is it compatible with automation?

It seems that while automating a macro knob plays back fine in real time, freezing or exporting the track completely ignores macros containing Honey-Mapper.

Anyone else having success with automation?

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